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Top Down/Bottom Up

Posted in TD/BU with tags , , , , , , , , , on October 10, 2010 by ellocogringo

TD/BU

I know NOTHING” – Schultz, Hogan’s Heros

Bottom up thinking makes NO assumptions. “It is obvious that” has no place in bottom up thinking. Nothing is taken for granted. This is fuzzy logic (bottom up thinking) Which can be “The best answer to date” (level 1), “This idea seems to work for the moment” (level 2) or the less definitive “Could be” (Level 3)

I am painting with a broad brush here. So as not to bloat the concepts, I will omit the exceptions, special cases and disclaimers.

Fuzzy logic is a form of multi-valued logic derived from fuzzy set theory to deal with reasoning that is approximate rather than precise. In contrast with “crisp logic”, where binary sets have binary logic, the fuzzy logic variables may have a membership value of not only 0 or 1 – that is, the degree of truth of a statement can range between 0 and 1 and is not constrained to the two truth values of classic propositional logic. Oh Really!, you think so huh?

In fact what is accepted as truth in top down thinking is only Level 1 as determined by bottom up thinking. It is NEVER complete, and could be entirely wrong if hijacked by religion, education or other societal programming. If this societal programming occurs during the critical period of growth (birth-age 7 or puberty) it can become imprinting, a PERMANENT inability of the mind to accept new concepts. A person can know, but not understand a concept that does not fit into this framework. They become idiots (not used as a pejorative but as a clinical term, I am, after all, striving to be professional) The implications of this imprinting are profound. Bottom up thinking is regarded as psychotic by mental health and meta-physical bullshit by the general population. Not only is creativity crushed by this imprinting but it has resulted in a society composed of zombies (stupid people, doing stupid things for stupid reasons) living a meaningless existence in an ant warren.
An example of this is physics, in which the nature of the universe being of a wave nature is known but not understood. To date I am aware of a dozen people who understand, and half of them are dead. Some of the live ones are;
Ted Lumley>http://goodshare.org/wp/whats-the-matter/
Gabriel LaFreniere> http://glafreniere.com/sa_electron.htm
Milo Wolff> http://www.quantummatter.com/
Consider the following discussion between Chief Dan George, Erwin Schrodinger and Albert Einstein on the wave nature of the universe.
http://goodshare.org/wp/whats-the-matter/
The question was posed “is space making electrons or are electrons making space?”
Automatically excluded were the possibilities of both or neither. This is the “brain fart” a built in logic flaw in the brain.
The answer is NOT A or B but both or neither.
Please note I am not speaking of physics here, I am speaking of thinking of physics.
http://www.divshare.com/direct/12610892-4f8.pdfI recently became interested in the aboriginal framework of reasoning. I have heard it described as circular reasoning.
Circular reasoning is an attempt to support a statement by simply repeating the statement in different or stronger terms. In this fallacy, the reason given is nothing more than a restatement of the conclusion that poses as the reason for the conclusion.
I don’t see it that way, I see it as “wheels within wheels” and not even “what goes around comes around” but “what goes around comes around goes around etc”. For instance a 260 day calendar would seem to make no sense unless one considers that the gestation period is 260 days. Thus if a woman conceived on Tzolkin 10 she could expect the birth on Tzolkin 10, As this was synchronized with the Haab (365 day calendar) no calculation was needed. This imprinting is canabilastic in nature, like the zombie, it want’s to eat your brains. It is the Ayn Rand Beast.
Consider the Protohuman “Charlie Chimp” in the paleolithic, considering whether he should bonk Polly protohuman. Using top down thinking the answer comes out in a simplified, non-nuanced yes or no. However, As Charlie hasn’t had the social imprinting to mess up his mind, he can use another logic method. Bottom up, a weighted Boolean network with possibilities of yes, no, or maybe. The weighting aspect is an aggregate and accumulative bias. Most simply explained by the logic tree “The last time I bonked Polly protohuman, how many times did the alpha male hit me, and how hard?” Charlie compares the bottom up and top down logic and makes a decision on whether his genetic heritage will be carried on through Polly. Very useful as a bullshit detector. “Is what this guy babbling about consistent with my previous experience?” From an assholes point of view, this bullshit detector must be turned off so as to brainwash the idiot. Painting with a broad brush, “education put the sub in subconscious”, was preceded by “religion put the sub in subconscious” preceded by “the alpha male put the sub in subconscious”. (I have a fear that if I talk like an idiot I may start thinking like one.) People have lost the ability to say Bullshit!

Moving right along, when my bullshit detector goes off, I discard ALL logic and view input as data only until the issue is resolved. I have discarded all physics as speculation. It doesn’t even pass the “could be” test. It’s bullshit. Godel’s model has less bullshit than most, but it’s still bullshit. (I suspect that he may understand what he’s saying and is trying to communicate with idiots). All of his twisted logic and convoluted math doesn’t prove or disprove anything. All he has done is twist and stretch the rubber ruler till it matches observed data. My observation on this matter has been that knowledge is inversely proportional to understanding. “Stupid may be catching” – el Loco Gringo From an egocentric point of view, the disjuncture occurs inside the skull, this difference between a perception of reality and the interpretation of same. As far as I can see, the vast majority of speculation on the output side is bullshit. On the input side all I have to work with is a filtered perception. This filtered perception leads me to conclude that it has a rotational aspect (perceived) and has a beat of 8 (is recursive with a harmonic of 8) That it is vibrations and is negentropic seems too obvious to discuss. There is overwhelming evidence that it is and nothing but “common sense” that says it isn’t. I am shocked that you consider “rotating vectors” a notion. Granted it’s a kludge, but it’s the best kludge available (to date) The entire industrialized civilization is built around this kludge. By filtered I mean that we do not have input across the entire spectrum. For instance, you turn on a radio and music comes out. There is obviously something invisible happening. Depending on one’s world view, this could be interpreted as magic, god, nirvana, whatever. (Actually I kind of like the idea of god, if there is one there is no evidence he gives a shit about man, one way or the other) If the universe is harmonic vibrations, it logically follows that time, color, touch, and sound are the minds way of making sense of motion, (time) non-motion, (touch) vibrations in the 20-20khz range (sound) and 300-700Thz. (color) Every one knows it but no one understands it. It should be obvious once it is pointed out, but it isn’t to most people. Why?

In fact what is accepted as truth in top down thinking is only Level 1 as determined by bottom up thinking. It is NEVER complete, and could be entirely wrong if hijacked by religion, education or other societal programming. If this societal programming occurs during the critical period of growth (birth-age 7 or puberty) it can become imprinting, a PERMANENT inability of the mind to accept new concepts. A person can know, but not understand a concept that does not fit into this framework. They become idiots (not used as a pejorative but as a clinical term, I am, after all, striving to be professional) The implications of this imprinting are profound. Bottom up thinking is regarded as psychotic by mental health and meta-physical bullshit by the general population. Not only is creativity crushed by this imprinting but it has resulted in a society composed of zombies (stupid people, doing stupid things for stupid reasons) living a meaningless existence in an ant warren.Circular reasoning is an attempt to support a statement by simply repeating the statement in different or stronger terms. In this fallacy, the reason given is nothing more than a restatement of the conclusion that poses as the reason for the conclusion.I don’t see it that way, I see it as “wheels within wheels” and not even “what goes around comes around” but “what goes around comes around goes around etc”. For instance a 260 day calendar would seem to make no sense unless one considers that the gestation period is 260 days. Thus if a woman conceived on Tzolkin 10 she could expect the birth on Tzolkin 10, As this was synchronized with the Haab (365 day calendar) no calculation was needed.

This imprinting is canabilastic in nature, like the zombie, it want’s to eat your brains. It is the Ayn Rand Beast. “There is a slavering beast devouring the mind of man. You know that no matter how eloquent the words, how impecable the logic, how irrefutable the facts, it can’t be reached, not in any way. There is no mind there” – Ayn Rand I call it the abyss, IE all words fall into the abyss. I like beast better Consider the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland, perhaps the greatest treatise on philosophy ever written. When queried on which road to take, he responded “Well, if you don’t know where you’re going it doesn’t much matter which path you take” And this is, in fact, where we are when trying to figure something out. WE DON’T KNOW WHERE WE’RE GOING. To start with the answer and work our way back to the question is insane. Can’t anyone else see that?

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Notice

Posted in The Minds with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on September 21, 2010 by ellocogringo

Notice

The inconsistincies

Mr T always gets me thinking,

pod racer

Posted in TD/BU with tags , , , , , , , on September 12, 2010 by ellocogringo

Star Wars Episode I Phantom menance. I have heard my ANN model compared to centered with both pipelines going. The Star Wars jet pod racer comes to mind. Not unlike my chariot model with the matched team. The full statement was “how do we get to this state, centered with both pipelines going? This is more about what it ain’t than what it is. You don’t cripple the pipelines with ideology. Don’t put governors on the pods, don’t hobble the horses.

To keep from getting confused, I’ll name these two pods finesse and power.

walt

Field of leaves

Posted in The Minds with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , on September 11, 2010 by ellocogringo

Consider an old cash register. (This is actually the image eLG gives me). There is no calculation going on. You move the appropriate lever and the appropriate leaf pops up. It doesn’t have anything to do what what is printed on the leaf or the key. Which leaf pops up is dependent on the position of the key. It ain’t thinking, it just is. Topeka

The image I get from eLG is the right mind is a “field of leaves” (except 3 dimensional) and the left mind runs a metaphorical hand over this metaphorical field of leaves looking for non-inconsistency. if a leaf is popped up, (inconsistent) it sets off the bullshit detector. and SHOULD (if not hijacked) flip over to the bottom up mode.Keeping in mind that we are talking metaphorically about about this stuff, the leaves are just flux in the tensors of the right mind. And a leaf corresponds to a phase shift relating to a consistency or inconsistency depending on phase shift. The third dimension (metaphorical remember) the fourth dimension would give the other two states, not consistent or not inconsistent. for the 4 way boolean network. This would be happening at the dendrite level (logic) synced with but separate from the axon level (perception) If I understand eLG correctly, this is a pretty good 2 dimensional represention of the 3 dimensional process going on in the right mind, Plato’s mythos. This is in the frequency domain.I am talking about concepts here, or thoughts, or symbols, the word doesn’t really exist that describes it exactly nor can they. This analysis is what I would class as “this idea seems to work”, better than “could be” but not yet “best answer to date”. So If I’m understanding this correctly, this is musing (collating, freq domain), with the left mind analyzing, (time domain) This process does not normally occur at a conscious level, but is continually going on in the background. (sub-conscious) our actions being dictated by pre-surmised shortcuts <1/2 second, and then accessing 3 1/2 to 7 seconds. Rarely museing, “head up ass mode” The amplitude being determined by the reticulator. It can be negative remember, so the graphic would show the arrows going the other way.

This is an evaluation of a perception of what what Mr Ted calls the “great mysterious” (reality)

Two realtively simple processes, not one complex one

We only think we’re thinking.

This is really squishy here. It is incredibly difficult to find the words.

As an aside, I “knew” to type in animated flux when looking for the graphic. How? first hit. I’ve never used that word in that context. Schrodinger’s “one mind”?

Pair a dimes

Posted in TD/BU with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , on September 9, 2010 by ellocogringo

Paradigm
shift in
thinking
required

>there is no reason that a western person can’t see things the same way and intuitively he does (‘what goes around comes around’

This conclusion is false. A western person can know but not understand. Mr Ted understands and knows. His approach appears to be to differentiate lesser minds who are speculating only rather than integrating HIS own concepts into HIS framework in terms HE can understand so as to be able to communicate. This appears to me to be like trying to explain calculus to an uneducated person by using pebbles. A considerable task indeed when you consider that most physicists don’t understand calculus. I feel that there is much to be gained in helping him in his quest.
>”I’m trying to imagine a science fiction movie in which large numbers of humans shifted their thinking to bring it more into alignment with what you’re suggesting. Perhaps it’s inaccurate to suggest humans would be responsible for this shift. However it happens, what would it look like I wonder?”

AE van Vogt, the world of Null A (non-aristotelian)

But yes, a new way of thinking is required, but I don’t see how this can be accomplished in the numbers necessary to enable the momentum required to shift mankind’s course. we need to get past how we think, and look instead at how we think about thinking. I’ve been trying to figure this out for 65 years without success. Somebody once commented, Eddington I think, “once we figure out that one and one is two, we think we understand. We forget we need to analyze “and”. No matter how eloquent the words, no matter how irrefutable the facts, no matter how impecable the logic, no matter how noble the cause, You know that they can’t hear you. Not in any way. There are no neurons there.

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Topeka

Posted in The Minds with tags , , , , on August 26, 2010 by ellocogringo

Topeka

Problems associated with applying top down logic to bottom up problems.

Some things just is

Applying TD logic to BU problems is kinda like barking up the wrong tree, or off on a wild goose chase, but more akin to barking up the wrong goose chase. i.e. it’s not just inappropriate, it’s inappropriately inappropriate. Not only is it on the wrong page, it is in the wrong book in the wrong library, in the wrong language.

I will use the word musing to apply to Bottom Up Thinking, although, strictly speaking, it’s not even thinking or cognition but more akin to browsing, running your hand over a surface and feeling for bumps. Differences, inconsistencies. It’s more about what something ain’t than what it is.

Consider Topeka. Why? Because it is an inconsistency. It’s a mental tag I use to keep track of essays I’ve done on bottom up thinking. But why use that why? Because, as Dora thy would say, when we go into the right mind “Toto, I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore.” Different rules apply. So if I forget where I put that paper on “Problems associated with applying top down logic to bottom up problems” I can simply name it “Topeka 09/26/10 Problems associated with applying top down logic to bottom up problems” I don’t have to remember the data, or even the name, nor do I have to search for it. I can just list it and all the essays I’ve done on right mind, yin, bottom up, etc. Even if I forget Topeka, I can search for any of yin, bottom up, constructionist etc because they are in the tag I forgot i.e. Topeka. It works both ways.

Consider Topeka again. A map this time, How hard would it be to reproduce it without a Xerox? How about if you couldn’t speak English? How about if you were illiterate. Yet if you an amazon Tupi were dropped in front of the post office and walked to the airport, and your map were taken away the Tupi could get back to the post office, you wouldn’t. That’s because you think different. Your mind is used to using a map and top down thinking, his isn’t. Loosing the map doesn’t make a bit of difference to the Tupi. Why, why, why? Because the Tupi hasn’t had his brain messed up by the ABF, his right mind is continually working the logic both ways. On the way to the airport while your mind is saying turn right here, the Tupi mind is flagging this turn as a trigger for the way back. In other words, he is making a reverse map in his head. And he’s not even aware this is happening, the reverse map just is. Tell him you want to go to the post office and off he goes. He doesn’t know what the post office is, but he knows where it is. Drop him off at a third location and he won’t retrace his steps but strike off cross country. The direction to go just is. He’d be puzzled why you can’t do it. (maintain situational awareness) the “where am I?” that has been crippled by the ABF. But why does it matter? Because the ABF has not only messed up your situational awareness, it has messed up your thinking. The Tupi has situational awareness, you don’t. This applies to everything including the universe.

Consider an old cash register. (This is actually the image eLG gives me). There is no calculation going on. You move the appropriate lever and the appropriate leaf pops up. It doesn’t have anything to do what what is printed on the leaf or the key. Which leaf pops up is dependent on the position of the key. It ain’t thinking, it just is.

A neuron seeks out and communicates. It’s a bottom up system. I am trying desperately to explain how the right mind works. It can’t be done with words. It’s negentropic. It self organizes. It just is. It’s really simple. I despair.

We just think we’re thinking