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pod racer

Posted in TD/BU with tags , , , , , , , on September 12, 2010 by ellocogringo

Star Wars Episode I Phantom menance. I have heard my ANN model compared to centered with both pipelines going. The Star Wars jet pod racer comes to mind. Not unlike my chariot model with the matched team. The full statement was “how do we get to this state, centered with both pipelines going? This is more about what it ain’t than what it is. You don’t cripple the pipelines with ideology. Don’t put governors on the pods, don’t hobble the horses.

To keep from getting confused, I’ll name these two pods finesse and power.


Field of leaves

Posted in The Minds with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , on September 11, 2010 by ellocogringo

Consider an old cash register. (This is actually the image eLG gives me). There is no calculation going on. You move the appropriate lever and the appropriate leaf pops up. It doesn’t have anything to do what what is printed on the leaf or the key. Which leaf pops up is dependent on the position of the key. It ain’t thinking, it just is. Topeka

The image I get from eLG is the right mind is a “field of leaves” (except 3 dimensional) and the left mind runs a metaphorical hand over this metaphorical field of leaves looking for non-inconsistency. if a leaf is popped up, (inconsistent) it sets off the bullshit detector. and SHOULD (if not hijacked) flip over to the bottom up mode.Keeping in mind that we are talking metaphorically about about this stuff, the leaves are just flux in the tensors of the right mind. And a leaf corresponds to a phase shift relating to a consistency or inconsistency depending on phase shift. The third dimension (metaphorical remember) the fourth dimension would give the other two states, not consistent or not inconsistent. for the 4 way boolean network. This would be happening at the dendrite level (logic) synced with but separate from the axon level (perception) If I understand eLG correctly, this is a pretty good 2 dimensional represention of the 3 dimensional process going on in the right mind, Plato’s mythos. This is in the frequency domain.I am talking about concepts here, or thoughts, or symbols, the word doesn’t really exist that describes it exactly nor can they. This analysis is what I would class as “this idea seems to work”, better than “could be” but not yet “best answer to date”. So If I’m understanding this correctly, this is musing (collating, freq domain), with the left mind analyzing, (time domain) This process does not normally occur at a conscious level, but is continually going on in the background. (sub-conscious) our actions being dictated by pre-surmised shortcuts <1/2 second, and then accessing 3 1/2 to 7 seconds. Rarely museing, “head up ass mode” The amplitude being determined by the reticulator. It can be negative remember, so the graphic would show the arrows going the other way.

This is an evaluation of a perception of what what Mr Ted calls the “great mysterious” (reality)

Two realtively simple processes, not one complex one

We only think we’re thinking.

This is really squishy here. It is incredibly difficult to find the words.

As an aside, I “knew” to type in animated flux when looking for the graphic. How? first hit. I’ve never used that word in that context. Schrodinger’s “one mind”?


Posted in TD/BU with tags , , , , , , , , , , , on September 9, 2010 by ellocogringo



>What these fools did, as Mach has said, was to save their successors the trouble of thinking. If they had worked solely in view of an immediate application, they would have left nothing behind them, and in face of a new requirement, all would have had to be done again. Now the majority of men do not like thinking, and this is perhaps a good thing, since instinct guides them, and very often better than reason would guide a pure intelligence, at least whenever they are pursuing an end that is immediate and always the same. But instinct is routine, and if it were not fertilized by thought, it would advance no further with man than with the bee or the ant. It is necessary, therefore, to think for those who do not like thinking, and as they are many, each one of our thoughts must be useful in as many circumstances as possible. For this reason, the more general a law is, the greater is its value.
Mr T>it gives me another way of looking at the problems in our society. i think that our KISS habit amounts to an ‘economy of words’. the economy of thought is moving us towards ‘everything is One’ while the economy of words is moving us to jargon whose individual words unfold into a story and each person reading them has to supply their own version of the story. within the story are many more words, whose meaning is of the same vintage as when those who do not like thinking were told what they meant.
Mach, in this snippit has made a couple of logic flaws.
1) He seems to feel that There is one thing happening inside the skull and one outside.
2) He has not considered all the possibilities.
call it extrinsic/intrinsic, whatever
As to 1) there are two things happening inside the skull and one outside.
As to 2) there are 4 possibilities, not 2.

Inside the skull are two processes, top down and bottom up
top down (binary, serial, whatever) leads him to believe there are people who like to think and people who don’t.
1) people who like to think
2) people who don’t.
This is, in and of itself, kiss thinking.
As I see it (boolean, parallel whatever)
HOWEVER, if you work the logic both ways (bottom up) there are 4 possibilities.
1) people who like to think
2) people who don’t
3) people who won’t
4) people who can’t
both views are valid, but bottom up is the more complete. By complete, i mean we have reached the limit of mankinds cognitive abilities. (inside the skull only, which may not be an absolute limit.)
for instance, you contrast thought and words, you seem to be mixing oranges and orangutans.
thinking contrasts with musing
words contrasts with symbols.
thinking goes with words
musing goes with symbols

It’s an equation with these parameters. Philosophy, simply put, is a seemingly endless debate over what side of the equals sign to put the parameters on. A worldview is just different words used to describe these parameters, and determine the right and wrong side of the equals sign to put these words on.
Oranges and orangutans is an interesting topic by the way, I’ll do a post on them. Oranges

Pair a dimes

Posted in TD/BU with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , on September 9, 2010 by ellocogringo

shift in

>there is no reason that a western person can’t see things the same way and intuitively he does (‘what goes around comes around’

This conclusion is false. A western person can know but not understand. Mr Ted understands and knows. His approach appears to be to differentiate lesser minds who are speculating only rather than integrating HIS own concepts into HIS framework in terms HE can understand so as to be able to communicate. This appears to me to be like trying to explain calculus to an uneducated person by using pebbles. A considerable task indeed when you consider that most physicists don’t understand calculus. I feel that there is much to be gained in helping him in his quest.
>”I’m trying to imagine a science fiction movie in which large numbers of humans shifted their thinking to bring it more into alignment with what you’re suggesting. Perhaps it’s inaccurate to suggest humans would be responsible for this shift. However it happens, what would it look like I wonder?”

AE van Vogt, the world of Null A (non-aristotelian)

But yes, a new way of thinking is required, but I don’t see how this can be accomplished in the numbers necessary to enable the momentum required to shift mankind’s course. we need to get past how we think, and look instead at how we think about thinking. I’ve been trying to figure this out for 65 years without success. Somebody once commented, Eddington I think, “once we figure out that one and one is two, we think we understand. We forget we need to analyze “and”. No matter how eloquent the words, no matter how irrefutable the facts, no matter how impecable the logic, no matter how noble the cause, You know that they can’t hear you. Not in any way. There are no neurons there.


Posted in The Minds with tags , , , , on August 26, 2010 by ellocogringo


Problems associated with applying top down logic to bottom up problems.

Some things just is

Applying TD logic to BU problems is kinda like barking up the wrong tree, or off on a wild goose chase, but more akin to barking up the wrong goose chase. i.e. it’s not just inappropriate, it’s inappropriately inappropriate. Not only is it on the wrong page, it is in the wrong book in the wrong library, in the wrong language.

I will use the word musing to apply to Bottom Up Thinking, although, strictly speaking, it’s not even thinking or cognition but more akin to browsing, running your hand over a surface and feeling for bumps. Differences, inconsistencies. It’s more about what something ain’t than what it is.

Consider Topeka. Why? Because it is an inconsistency. It’s a mental tag I use to keep track of essays I’ve done on bottom up thinking. But why use that why? Because, as Dora thy would say, when we go into the right mind “Toto, I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore.” Different rules apply. So if I forget where I put that paper on “Problems associated with applying top down logic to bottom up problems” I can simply name it “Topeka 09/26/10 Problems associated with applying top down logic to bottom up problems” I don’t have to remember the data, or even the name, nor do I have to search for it. I can just list it and all the essays I’ve done on right mind, yin, bottom up, etc. Even if I forget Topeka, I can search for any of yin, bottom up, constructionist etc because they are in the tag I forgot i.e. Topeka. It works both ways.

Consider Topeka again. A map this time, How hard would it be to reproduce it without a Xerox? How about if you couldn’t speak English? How about if you were illiterate. Yet if you an amazon Tupi were dropped in front of the post office and walked to the airport, and your map were taken away the Tupi could get back to the post office, you wouldn’t. That’s because you think different. Your mind is used to using a map and top down thinking, his isn’t. Loosing the map doesn’t make a bit of difference to the Tupi. Why, why, why? Because the Tupi hasn’t had his brain messed up by the ABF, his right mind is continually working the logic both ways. On the way to the airport while your mind is saying turn right here, the Tupi mind is flagging this turn as a trigger for the way back. In other words, he is making a reverse map in his head. And he’s not even aware this is happening, the reverse map just is. Tell him you want to go to the post office and off he goes. He doesn’t know what the post office is, but he knows where it is. Drop him off at a third location and he won’t retrace his steps but strike off cross country. The direction to go just is. He’d be puzzled why you can’t do it. (maintain situational awareness) the “where am I?” that has been crippled by the ABF. But why does it matter? Because the ABF has not only messed up your situational awareness, it has messed up your thinking. The Tupi has situational awareness, you don’t. This applies to everything including the universe.

Consider an old cash register. (This is actually the image eLG gives me). There is no calculation going on. You move the appropriate lever and the appropriate leaf pops up. It doesn’t have anything to do what what is printed on the leaf or the key. Which leaf pops up is dependent on the position of the key. It ain’t thinking, it just is.

A neuron seeks out and communicates. It’s a bottom up system. I am trying desperately to explain how the right mind works. It can’t be done with words. It’s negentropic. It self organizes. It just is. It’s really simple. I despair.

We just think we’re thinking


Posted in Cosmos with tags , , , , , on August 21, 2010 by ellocogringo

Some of you may not like my presentation.

The Point

Oblio Speaks

Nothing else seems to work, no matter how eloquent the oratory, how impeccable the logic, how irrefutable the facts you know that they can’t hear you. There is no mind there. The neurons have been lost. They are forever the quintessential idiots. They are runing with the squirrls. Crazy doesn’t work. Maybe I can shame them into using their brains.

This from Mr Johnny. The sad thing is, he’s right. There is no point.

Cool! In the end, I don’t think that we will convince anyone with academic arguments (such as Ted and I tend to make) bolstered by authoritative quotes from other philosophers and scientists. The key is finding the right ‘representations.’ Perhaps the use of dynamic graphics, video, music, dance and other more dynamic media will be the key.

Do you know the satirical cartoon “The Point”
(there is a album by Nielson – “me and my arrow”).
In the story Oblio is banished to the Pointless Forest where he meets the “Rockman” who in response to Oblio’s observation that everything in the Pointless Forest has a point says, “You hear what you want to hear, and you see what you want to see.” It is funny that many people actively don’t want to see ‘dynamics.’ They prefer a simple, easy to understand story about particles. And they seem very happy to live with the contradictions that result. Sometimes it feels like ‘ignorance’ has become a ‘virtue.’
Although most people prefer to live in the land of Point — it is good to know that there are a few with the courage to venture into the Pointless Forest (or should we call it the Particle-less Forest.
Keep pushing the envelope,


Posted in Cosmos with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , on August 19, 2010 by ellocogringo

Wisdom, the neuron that wants to grow up to be a brain. Negentropy is the charactistic of the universe that provides this wanna. All god’s chillens got wanna. This is nowhere more evident that the neuron which self-organizes when given the chance and a favorable environment. But for this to happen an unfolding must have wanna to be an atom, an atom must have wanna to be a molecule, a molecule must have wanna to be a cell, and a cell must have wanna to be a neuron. And the neuron must have wanna to be a brain. And a brain has wanna to be what? To be one with the universe. In RatBrain watch this wanna at work. The local power ego which at first glance appears to be exclusionary, turns out to be not so exclusionary after all. The molecule wanna be included, and life happens. Ain’t synergy nice? It is, after all, all the same thing.

“Harald C. Ott, a researcher now at Massachusetts General Hospital, took all the cells off a rat heart, leaving only a framework behind. His team then put rat stem cells onto this scaffold, whereupon the cells self-organized and the heart began to beat. Turns out life happens, and we are just learning the rules on how to program it.” – Foreign Policy Newsletter

WOW!!! Ain’t this weird? Negentropy reigns. Do the word Ratbrain2 ring a bell?

Read full article here>

Here him here>

A quality I have long used in hiring is gottawanna. The candidate gotta wanna. He must have connectnedness. He must be normal. It made life easy. Show them where their office is, and they would make themselves usefu.

Wisdom for centuries has been a religious or philosophical concept that varies somewhat by culture. But Jeste tells that there is reason to believe that it’s rooted in neurobiology. He and Meeks pored through medical literature, locating 10 papers that defined wisdom. Based on commonalities in the research, the two proposed that wisdom is made up of the behaviors that reflect the good of the group, pragmatism, emotional balance, self-understanding, tolerance and the ability to deal with ambiguity.

“If you look at it in this fashion, it makes sense to have a balance among these regions to lead to something akin to wisdom,” he says. “You need cold, calculating rationality but also emotional sociableness. You need to have rewards for what you do and punishments for what you don’t do and conflict detection and resolution.”

Jeste and Meeks concede that some might call their conclusions reductionistic because they based their “map” not on the idea that wisdom is a single trait, but a collection of attributes. But Jeste said that similarities between how wisdom was portrayed thousands of years ago in the Bhagavad Gita (a Hindu scripture) and in the West today — as well as the tale of Phineas Gage, a railway worker whose allegedly wise attributes such as amiability and good judgment were said to vanish after a spike penetrated his left frontal lobe — “makes you think it’s not a cultural phenomenon but biologically consistent.”